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Heinrich slams Trump Administration intelligence officials for lying under oath: “Incredibly disappointing”
WASHINGTON – U.S. Senator Martin Heinrich (D-N.M.), member of the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, appeared on MSNBC with Jen Psaki yesterday, where he reacted to Trump Administration intelligence officials lying under oath to his question during Tuesday’s hearing on whether intelligence officials’ Signal group chat included precise information on weapons packages, targets, or timing.
On the Signal chat transcript:
Jen Psaki: Senator, I know you’ve been living this, trying to get more information, trying to ask very valid legitimate questions. But you hadn’t seen those text messages until this morning.
Senator Heinrich: Nope, just like everyone else.
Psaki: What did you think when you read them?
Heinrich: Well, I thought, how can you come and testify in front of Congress, and not think, given everything that's gone on, that the details would come out? When you have the Director of the CIA, when you have the DNI, just brazenly lying to Congress, how could they not think that this wasn't going to come out at some point, or that we wouldn't get to the bottom of it? It is deeply disappointing.
On Trump Administration officials lying under oath to Heinrich’s question about contents of Signal chat:
Psaki: Secretary Hegseth also lied about this. They [Directors Tulsi Gabbard and John Ratcliffe] weren't the only people lying about it. They were sitting there under oath testifying in Congress.
Heinrich: Yes.
Psaki: It was a text chain they were on. Hard to imagine they didn't remember those details. Did they lie to you?
Heinrich: Yeah, they did lie to us. It's hard to imagine for me that they didn't all go over the text chain the night before. Or in the run up to even the morning, knowing that this was in the news already. So, it's incredibly disappointing to see how cavalierly they misrepresented this. And obviously I hadn't seen those parts of the text chain at that point. But I suspected, and what we would normally really be concerned about showing up outside of what we call the high side, the secure communications infrastructure that we use. Are these operational details? Because that is what can put service members at risk, and this is a case where real lives are on the line. There were intelligence details in these exchanges that may well have put peoples' lives at risk.
Psaki: Yeah, the General is making this point that they're still at risk now. And this now gives the Houthis a better understanding of how these communications happen.
Heinrich: That’s exactly right.
On an expedited Inspector General investigation into the situation:
Psaki: Let me ask you: Senator Roger Wicker said today that the Senate Armed Services Committee is seeking an expedited IG investigation. He's a Republican senator. We haven't heard that from a lot of other Republican senators or any others that I'm aware of publicly at this point, but you talk to them privately. Do you think more could come out? Is there more who might call for that?
Heinrich: I hope. I really hope more [Republican senators] do come out, because the private conversations are: People know this was wrong. People know that it was reckless. No one wants to defend this in the public. Even if you watch the Worldwide Annual Threat Assessment hearing in its totality, you didn't hear Republicans coming to the defense of this kind of recklessness. We'll just have to see. You know, there's this palpable fear of saying anything critical of Team Trump. And to his credit, I think Roger Wicker did what anyone would normally do in this situation, which is just to say, “Let's get to the bottom of it.”
Psaki: That's what IGs are supposed to do. Hence why it's so problematic that a number of them were fired. Senator, thank you so much, and thank you for continuing to press on this issue. I know there's many, many more questions out there.
Heinrich: We're not done yet.
A recap of Tuesday’s hearing on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence can be found here.
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